oh yeah forgot to ask...anyone know of a decent scissor type extractor..halfords laserline one is *BLEEP* ( returned back to halfords).. and ive snapped two Clarke efforts... failing that it gonna have to be removal of the banana arm, lower arm and buttom of hub assembly and either twat it with a hammer or take it to a local garage and get them to split it. i dont want to use a fork type on it as this will bugger the rubber. i hate cars........